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	<title>Comments on: The Legality of the Virtual World&#8217;s Oldest Profession</title>
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		<title>By: curious bystander</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-47214</link>
		<dc:creator>curious bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem, on the issue of legality, it would be that some phone sex operators do so &quot;off the radar&quot; - not as a legitimate business, therefore, they are illegal in the sense of not paying taxes on their income.  There are laws against money laundering.  I&#039;ve heard of such businesses operating in my neighborhood.  How do you nail them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem, on the issue of legality, it would be that some phone sex operators do so &#8220;off the radar&#8221; &#8211; not as a legitimate business, therefore, they are illegal in the sense of not paying taxes on their income.  There are laws against money laundering.  I&#8217;ve heard of such businesses operating in my neighborhood.  How do you nail them?</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-44427</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a new territory for the law. I guess new laws have to be written for the virtual experiences that would encompass cyberlaw, internet law, and possibly white collar crime depedning on the circumstances and the like. The virtual world is developing rapidly and the laws have to catch up with all of this new technology. I&#039;m wondering why the technical/digital world moves at light speed while the law side of things moves seemingly at a somewhat faster than a snails pace. This a new territory in the digital age except fot those millions familiar with the technology particularly the growing popularity of the sex side or virtual sex side of the internet industry.  I think that if maybe laws need to be created concerning children who may be victims of this cyber virtual sex or hackers who put people on a virtual sex experience then lawmakers maybe should have a few cyber sex experiences and then maybe it&#039;ll clarify what laws should be passed or if any at all should be passed. Lawmakers really need this virtual experience or virtual sex experience before they can make, in my opinion, applicable, meaningful, or profound laws concerning this type of virtual digital type activity. Then lawmakers, having this dignified sexual cyber experience, can create more effective laws concerning this activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a new territory for the law. I guess new laws have to be written for the virtual experiences that would encompass cyberlaw, internet law, and possibly white collar crime depedning on the circumstances and the like. The virtual world is developing rapidly and the laws have to catch up with all of this new technology. I&#8217;m wondering why the technical/digital world moves at light speed while the law side of things moves seemingly at a somewhat faster than a snails pace. This a new territory in the digital age except fot those millions familiar with the technology particularly the growing popularity of the sex side or virtual sex side of the internet industry.  I think that if maybe laws need to be created concerning children who may be victims of this cyber virtual sex or hackers who put people on a virtual sex experience then lawmakers maybe should have a few cyber sex experiences and then maybe it&#8217;ll clarify what laws should be passed or if any at all should be passed. Lawmakers really need this virtual experience or virtual sex experience before they can make, in my opinion, applicable, meaningful, or profound laws concerning this type of virtual digital type activity. Then lawmakers, having this dignified sexual cyber experience, can create more effective laws concerning this activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; From the Editor: Commentary on Active Lawsuits and Unsettled Issues in Virtual Law</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-6090</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; From the Editor: Commentary on Active Lawsuits and Unsettled Issues in Virtual Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Second, where there&#8217;s a gray area in the law (e.g. the validity of recent patent applications on virtual world technology, &#8220;ownership&#8221; of virtual land, and the value of real world currency) I generally try to point that out or approach the issue in a way that makes it clear it is up in the air. Those notes, of course, take a somewhat more neutral tone, and if I do miss a counterargument, readers usually catch it in the comments. Finally, there are some issues that VB confronts &#8212; like the illegality of ponzi schemes, the legality of virtual escort work, and the necessity of Linden Lab complying with the UIGEA &#8212; where the issues appear, from a legal perspective, to be rather black and white. On those, I&#8217;ll continue writing in my usual voice. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Second, where there&#8217;s a gray area in the law (e.g. the validity of recent patent applications on virtual world technology, &#8220;ownership&#8221; of virtual land, and the value of real world currency) I generally try to point that out or approach the issue in a way that makes it clear it is up in the air. Those notes, of course, take a somewhat more neutral tone, and if I do miss a counterargument, readers usually catch it in the comments. Finally, there are some issues that VB confronts &#8212; like the illegality of ponzi schemes, the legality of virtual escort work, and the necessity of Linden Lab complying with the UIGEA &#8212; where the issues appear, from a legal perspective, to be rather black and white. On those, I&#8217;ll continue writing in my usual voice. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-5080</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10 - Petey, I think you&#039;re right to be skeptical about the need for &quot;virtual law&quot; in most cases.  Mostly, there will just be the somewhat complex application of existing law to virtual worlds.

In a few specific situations new law would be needed (though I really hope nobody wastes my tax dollars passing &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; one) because there just wasn&#039;t such a thing before.  Here, there just wasn&#039;t such a thing as &lt;em&gt;pretending&lt;/em&gt; to be a prostitute for real money before -- you either we&#039;re or weren&#039;t.  So if somebody wants to prohibit it, I think they&#039;ll have to pass a new (asinine) law.

Not many situations fall on that side of the line though.  I think of it a lot like the internet around 1996-1997.  There wasn&#039;t any special law about it, and everyone was wondering if there would have to be whole new codes written.  As it turned out, 95% or more of &quot;internet law&quot; is just the application of old laws to the internet, but 5% of it did have to be written fresh.   For example, it just costs too much to spam people in real life, so there weren&#039;t any laws about it.   The cost of postage kept the signal to noise ratio in your real life mailbox around 70/30, at worst.  But on the internet?  My email is 99% or more spam, because it&#039;s basically free to advertise that way, and my address is very public.  So you get new (albeit totally ineffective, so far) laws that cover that narrow situation.  I&#039;m guessing 5%, tops, of &quot;virtual law&quot; will be completely new.  But even about the old stuff, the questions -- like whether an avatar&#039;s identity should be subject to subpoena -- definitely do make for good discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@10 &#8211; Petey, I think you&#8217;re right to be skeptical about the need for &#8220;virtual law&#8221; in most cases.  Mostly, there will just be the somewhat complex application of existing law to virtual worlds.</p>
<p>In a few specific situations new law would be needed (though I really hope nobody wastes my tax dollars passing <em>this</em> one) because there just wasn&#8217;t such a thing before.  Here, there just wasn&#8217;t such a thing as <em>pretending</em> to be a prostitute for real money before &#8212; you either we&#8217;re or weren&#8217;t.  So if somebody wants to prohibit it, I think they&#8217;ll have to pass a new (asinine) law.</p>
<p>Not many situations fall on that side of the line though.  I think of it a lot like the internet around 1996-1997.  There wasn&#8217;t any special law about it, and everyone was wondering if there would have to be whole new codes written.  As it turned out, 95% or more of &#8220;internet law&#8221; is just the application of old laws to the internet, but 5% of it did have to be written fresh.   For example, it just costs too much to spam people in real life, so there weren&#8217;t any laws about it.   The cost of postage kept the signal to noise ratio in your real life mailbox around 70/30, at worst.  But on the internet?  My email is 99% or more spam, because it&#8217;s basically free to advertise that way, and my address is very public.  So you get new (albeit totally ineffective, so far) laws that cover that narrow situation.  I&#8217;m guessing 5%, tops, of &#8220;virtual law&#8221; will be completely new.  But even about the old stuff, the questions &#8212; like whether an avatar&#8217;s identity should be subject to subpoena &#8212; definitely do make for good discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-5075</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect voice plays a big role, Nobody.  Or if it doesn&#039;t, that it will soon.  In fact, with a voice client integrated now, I think there&#039;s a pretty good chance that Second Life will become a low-overhead haven for phone sex operators in the next year or so, since they&#039;ll be able to provide visuals without any increase in overhead (and, unlike cameras, the real-life appearance of the operator would be irrelevant in a virtual world).

That said, in the U.S. at least, the laws that I found are incredibly specific to &quot;telephone&quot; communications.  It has something to do with the fact that the wires, like airwaves, are considered a limited public asset, and the legislative history usually supports this, making it somewhat tough to apply them to VoIP.

The other odd thing I found is that there are just very few laws on the books covering commercial phone sex over any device anyway.  If there&#039;s an telecom law expert out there who knows of some, please post -- I&#039;ve looked, and am rapidly concluding that they just don&#039;t exist in most states.  I haven&#039;t found much of anything, aside from that link above, which basically says, as I read it, that operators can only offer the service to people 18+ years old, which (at least for argument purposes) they&#039;re doing by offering the services exclusively on the adult grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect voice plays a big role, Nobody.  Or if it doesn&#8217;t, that it will soon.  In fact, with a voice client integrated now, I think there&#8217;s a pretty good chance that Second Life will become a low-overhead haven for phone sex operators in the next year or so, since they&#8217;ll be able to provide visuals without any increase in overhead (and, unlike cameras, the real-life appearance of the operator would be irrelevant in a virtual world).</p>
<p>That said, in the U.S. at least, the laws that I found are incredibly specific to &#8220;telephone&#8221; communications.  It has something to do with the fact that the wires, like airwaves, are considered a limited public asset, and the legislative history usually supports this, making it somewhat tough to apply them to VoIP.</p>
<p>The other odd thing I found is that there are just very few laws on the books covering commercial phone sex over any device anyway.  If there&#8217;s an telecom law expert out there who knows of some, please post &#8212; I&#8217;ve looked, and am rapidly concluding that they just don&#8217;t exist in most states.  I haven&#8217;t found much of anything, aside from that link above, which basically says, as I read it, that operators can only offer the service to people 18+ years old, which (at least for argument purposes) they&#8217;re doing by offering the services exclusively on the adult grid.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody Fugazi</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-5067</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody Fugazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing everyone thinks that prostitution in SL doesn&#039;t involve voice... my comments hang in the air like a brick because of it. How does US law treat VoIP in this regard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing everyone thinks that prostitution in SL doesn&#8217;t involve voice&#8230; my comments hang in the air like a brick because of it. How does US law treat VoIP in this regard?</p>
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		<title>By: Petey</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-5037</link>
		<dc:creator>Petey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a real good question. There&#039;s a big shakeup in federal obscenity law right now because of a case in which the defendants argue that the right to sexual privacy articulated in Lawrence, when coupled with the right to possess obscenity articulated in Stanley, neuters obscenity law. It&#039;s a due process attack on obscenity that acts as a corollary to the obvious problem of Miller--that is, community standards over a group as large and diverse as the Internet. 

Virtual worlds have an interesting effect on both arguments, since nothing in Second Life is truly private to other gamers even if is not truly public in the sense of being out on the streets. But in real life, it is difficult to avoid, say, a big PORNO SOLD HERE sign on Main Street in Peoria. Not so in Second Life. 

Furthermore, SL has a more discrete community than the web as a whole, and since the communities are formed by acquaintence rather than geographical necessity it could be argued that anything which takes place automatically passes the community standards test since users would be banned or ostracized easily if they posted offensive material. 

I&#039;m still skeptical of the conception of virtual worlds as a fount of  unique law, but it sures makes for some interesting thought experiments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a real good question. There&#8217;s a big shakeup in federal obscenity law right now because of a case in which the defendants argue that the right to sexual privacy articulated in Lawrence, when coupled with the right to possess obscenity articulated in Stanley, neuters obscenity law. It&#8217;s a due process attack on obscenity that acts as a corollary to the obvious problem of Miller&#8211;that is, community standards over a group as large and diverse as the Internet. </p>
<p>Virtual worlds have an interesting effect on both arguments, since nothing in Second Life is truly private to other gamers even if is not truly public in the sense of being out on the streets. But in real life, it is difficult to avoid, say, a big PORNO SOLD HERE sign on Main Street in Peoria. Not so in Second Life. </p>
<p>Furthermore, SL has a more discrete community than the web as a whole, and since the communities are formed by acquaintence rather than geographical necessity it could be argued that anything which takes place automatically passes the community standards test since users would be banned or ostracized easily if they posted offensive material. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still skeptical of the conception of virtual worlds as a fount of  unique law, but it sures makes for some interesting thought experiments.</p>
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		<title>By: drtomaso</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-4690</link>
		<dc:creator>drtomaso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a quote someplace about this issue- I wish I could remember where so I could attribute it properly. 

It basically said that the distinction between gambling and escorting in second life was the difference between engaging in illegal behavior in second life on the one hand, and *pretending* to engage in illegal behavior in second life on the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a quote someplace about this issue- I wish I could remember where so I could attribute it properly. </p>
<p>It basically said that the distinction between gambling and escorting in second life was the difference between engaging in illegal behavior in second life on the one hand, and *pretending* to engage in illegal behavior in second life on the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-4681</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bigger issue is a question of jurisdiction: who gets to define what is obscenity or prostitution or child pornography or gambling and can they apply it to a specific online service?

Jurisdictional issues have been muddied by the US&#039;s moves into online gambling enforcement with UIGEA as well as anti-terrorism activities that undermine the general notion that the location of a business defines its legality (other countries have dabbled in the same area recently - it is making running an online business fraught with unpredictable risk).

This issue has come up for some web sites where US locations with different &quot;community standards&quot; have been used to prosecute adult businesses that have no physical presence or do any marketing in.

Other key issues are if an online service is centralized or peer-to-peer?

If advertising or marketing sufficient to establish jurisdiction? This is a big question for online gambling in Europe now as the UK has moved to ban advertising of online gambling services that do not meet the UK&#039;s &quot;standards&quot;. How this will stand up in the EU or the WTO is interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bigger issue is a question of jurisdiction: who gets to define what is obscenity or prostitution or child pornography or gambling and can they apply it to a specific online service?</p>
<p>Jurisdictional issues have been muddied by the US&#8217;s moves into online gambling enforcement with UIGEA as well as anti-terrorism activities that undermine the general notion that the location of a business defines its legality (other countries have dabbled in the same area recently &#8211; it is making running an online business fraught with unpredictable risk).</p>
<p>This issue has come up for some web sites where US locations with different &#8220;community standards&#8221; have been used to prosecute adult businesses that have no physical presence or do any marketing in.</p>
<p>Other key issues are if an online service is centralized or peer-to-peer?</p>
<p>If advertising or marketing sufficient to establish jurisdiction? This is a big question for online gambling in Europe now as the UK has moved to ban advertising of online gambling services that do not meet the UK&#8217;s &#8220;standards&#8221;. How this will stand up in the EU or the WTO is interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/08/09/virtual-world-sex-work-legal/#comment-4656</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lillie - I think you&#039;re very much right on that point, though I&#039;m intrigued by what pbody said above: that you can&#039;t even run a standard obscenity analysis on it because it&#039;s not created until it *is* created, and then it&#039;s gone.

For people not familiar with &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lillie&#039;s site&lt;/a&gt;, it&#039;s consistently  interesting and articulate.  Worth the visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lillie &#8211; I think you&#8217;re very much right on that point, though I&#8217;m intrigued by what pbody said above: that you can&#8217;t even run a standard obscenity analysis on it because it&#8217;s not created until it *is* created, and then it&#8217;s gone.</p>
<p>For people not familiar with <a href="http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/"rel="nofollow" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/sexsecond.blogspot.com');">Lillie&#8217;s site</a>, it&#8217;s consistently  interesting and articulate.  Worth the visit.</p>
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