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	<title>Comments on: Bragg v. Linden Lab Update &#8211; Plaintiff Bragg&#8217;s Motion to Dismiss Defendants&#8217; Counterclaims</title>
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		<title>By: The Better EULA Blog &#187; Via Terranova: do users own Second Life?</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-10490</link>
		<dc:creator>The Better EULA Blog &#187; Via Terranova: do users own Second Life?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussion points out that this is the result of Bragg vs. Linden, which raises the question: does this, and did that case, represent an ideological shift on Second [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bragg v. Linden Lab Update - New Motion to Dismiss Counterclaims Filed; Complete Chat Logs Available</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-6899</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bragg v. Linden Lab Update - New Motion to Dismiss Counterclaims Filed; Complete Chat Logs Available</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Plaintiff Marc Bragg has filed a new Rule 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss (.pdf) regarding Linden Lab&#8217;s counterclaims against him, and a supporting brief (.pdf). Some readers will recall that Bragg filed a 12(b)(6) motion already but in the interim, Linden Lab amended its complaint. The amendment added quotations from chat logs that shed light on Linden Lab&#8217;s claim that Bragg used an exploit to buy land in violation of a California criminal law prohibiting unauthorized computer access for fraudulent purposes. Bragg&#8217;s new motion amplifies points made earlier, and addresses this material. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Plaintiff Marc Bragg has filed a new Rule 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss (.pdf) regarding Linden Lab&#8217;s counterclaims against him, and a supporting brief (.pdf). Some readers will recall that Bragg filed a 12(b)(6) motion already but in the interim, Linden Lab amended its complaint. The amendment added quotations from chat logs that shed light on Linden Lab&#8217;s claim that Bragg used an exploit to buy land in violation of a California criminal law prohibiting unauthorized computer access for fraudulent purposes. Bragg&#8217;s new motion amplifies points made earlier, and addresses this material. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bragg v. Linden Lab Update: Linden Lab Serves Interrogatories, Amends Counterclaims Regarding Conspiracy Allegation with Chat Log Details</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-5717</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bragg v. Linden Lab Update: Linden Lab Serves Interrogatories, Amends Counterclaims Regarding Conspiracy Allegation with Chat Log Details</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Linden Lab has also filed an amended set of counterclaims (the original is available here).  Aside from cleaning up some typos and changing a few words here and there (e.g. &#8220;&#8230;to ensure that Bragg was appropriately punished and forever barred from Second Life,&#8221; becomes, &#8220;to ensure that Bragg was appropriately deterred and forever barred from Second Life,&#8221;) the big changes involve how the counterclaims address the way that Bragg bought land.  Notably, this document appears to have been filed partially due to the positions taken in Bragg&#8217;s motion to dismiss the counterclaims.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Linden Lab has also filed an amended set of counterclaims (the original is available here).  Aside from cleaning up some typos and changing a few words here and there (e.g. &#8220;&#8230;to ensure that Bragg was appropriately punished and forever barred from Second Life,&#8221; becomes, &#8220;to ensure that Bragg was appropriately deterred and forever barred from Second Life,&#8221;) the big changes involve how the counterclaims address the way that Bragg bought land.  Notably, this document appears to have been filed partially due to the positions taken in Bragg&#8217;s motion to dismiss the counterclaims.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ashcroft Burnham</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-3556</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashcroft Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, though, he will be able to argue (with some plausibility) that he is an exceptionally &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; lawyer, and thus does not have the first clue about such things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, though, he will be able to argue (with some plausibility) that he is an exceptionally <i>bad</i> lawyer, and thus does not have the first clue about such things.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-3448</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, the question here (at least as to your first point) is whether Linden Lab advertising &quot;Own virtual land!&quot; to consumers can sensibly be described as dishonest, not which interpretation is &quot;better.&quot;  In other words, whether it&#039;s reasonable for consumers to get it wrong based on what they&#039;re saying, and whether that&#039;s something they should have known would happen.

(Though there&#039;s another sticky problem here, and that&#039;s that Bragg actually &lt;em&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; an average consumer, he&#039;s a lawyer.  And the law essentially says he has to argue &lt;em&gt;his&lt;/em&gt; case, using the facts about &lt;em&gt;him&lt;/em&gt;, so that might make this argument a little -- or maybe even a lot -- harder.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the question here (at least as to your first point) is whether Linden Lab advertising &#8220;Own virtual land!&#8221; to consumers can sensibly be described as dishonest, not which interpretation is &#8220;better.&#8221;  In other words, whether it&#8217;s reasonable for consumers to get it wrong based on what they&#8217;re saying, and whether that&#8217;s something they should have known would happen.</p>
<p>(Though there&#8217;s another sticky problem here, and that&#8217;s that Bragg actually <em>isn&#8217;t</em> an average consumer, he&#8217;s a lawyer.  And the law essentially says he has to argue <em>his</em> case, using the facts about <em>him</em>, so that might make this argument a little &#8212; or maybe even a lot &#8212; harder.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ashcroft Burnham</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-3443</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashcroft Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, remember, the contest is between one concept that is legally incoherent, and another that is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, remember, the contest is between one concept that is legally incoherent, and another that is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-3442</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that question -- was it reasonable to assume comsumers would draw that analogy -- is right at the heart of this.  I very much hope it gets to the point where the Court addresses the question directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that question &#8212; was it reasonable to assume comsumers would draw that analogy &#8212; is right at the heart of this.  I very much hope it gets to the point where the Court addresses the question directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashcroft Burnham</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-3438</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashcroft Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, but there isn&#039;t deep-rooted understanding of what owning &lt;i&gt;virtual&lt;/i&gt; land is.  If the point is that the &quot;virutal land&quot; is similar to actual land by &lt;i&gt;analogy&lt;/i&gt;, then, of course, there is no reason to believe that &quot;ownership&quot; of such virtual land is not also only similar to ownership of actual land by analogy, which it is in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, but there isn&#8217;t deep-rooted understanding of what owning <i>virtual</i> land is.  If the point is that the &#8220;virutal land&#8221; is similar to actual land by <i>analogy</i>, then, of course, there is no reason to believe that &#8220;ownership&#8221; of such virtual land is not also only similar to ownership of actual land by analogy, which it is in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-3434</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could argue that &quot;own virtual land&quot; is different than &quot;own a website&quot; because there is a deep-rooted  understanding in society about what regular &quot;land ownership&quot; is, whereas &quot;website ownership&quot; is the kind of thing most people would feel they need to do some research to figure out.  I see your point though, and I think it&#039;s a pretty good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could argue that &#8220;own virtual land&#8221; is different than &#8220;own a website&#8221; because there is a deep-rooted  understanding in society about what regular &#8220;land ownership&#8221; is, whereas &#8220;website ownership&#8221; is the kind of thing most people would feel they need to do some research to figure out.  I see your point though, and I think it&#8217;s a pretty good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashcroft Burnham</title>
		<link>https://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/25/bragg-rule-12-motion/#comment-3432</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashcroft Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

is &quot;own your own virtual land&quot; any more or less obviously incoherent than &quot;own your own website?&quot;. In any event, if the point is that those with a limited understanding of the law will not understand the &lt;i&gt;numerus clausus&lt;/i&gt; principle, there is every chance that they will also not understand many of the other aspects of ownership that make it distinct from a contractual right. The impression conveyed by &quot;own your own virtual land&quot; is, I should suggest, the same as that created by &quot;own your own website&quot;: that one will be provided with a service that gives one a sense of ownership. That is reinforced by the Terms of Service, which make it as clear as ever it could be that the right acquired is a contractual right in respect of which Linden Lab have considerable contractual powers, inconsistent with literal ownership of virtual land by their customers, but, if exercised sparingly (as they are), and only for good reason, entirely consistent with a service that gives a strong sense of ownership. 

In summary, if one understands the law well enough to be able to understand the distinction between a service giving a general sense of ownership and literal ownership, then one can only be expected to realise that what is on offer is the former, not the latter, since the latter simply does not make sense in the context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>is &#8220;own your own virtual land&#8221; any more or less obviously incoherent than &#8220;own your own website?&#8221;. In any event, if the point is that those with a limited understanding of the law will not understand the <i>numerus clausus</i> principle, there is every chance that they will also not understand many of the other aspects of ownership that make it distinct from a contractual right. The impression conveyed by &#8220;own your own virtual land&#8221; is, I should suggest, the same as that created by &#8220;own your own website&#8221;: that one will be provided with a service that gives one a sense of ownership. That is reinforced by the Terms of Service, which make it as clear as ever it could be that the right acquired is a contractual right in respect of which Linden Lab have considerable contractual powers, inconsistent with literal ownership of virtual land by their customers, but, if exercised sparingly (as they are), and only for good reason, entirely consistent with a service that gives a strong sense of ownership. </p>
<p>In summary, if one understands the law well enough to be able to understand the distinction between a service giving a general sense of ownership and literal ownership, then one can only be expected to realise that what is on offer is the former, not the latter, since the latter simply does not make sense in the context.</p>
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