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	<title>Comments on: Commentary: Linden Lab Bans Unlicensed &#8220;Banks&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Crack Down on Banking Causes Second Life Strife &#124; Business &#124; Wired</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-204886</link>
		<dc:creator>Crack Down on Banking Causes Second Life Strife &#124; Business &#124; Wired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2014 13:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Duranske says Linden Labs&#8217; decision is ultimately a positive step, one that will save a lot of people a lot of unhappiness in the long run. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Duranske says Linden Labs&rsquo; decision is ultimately a positive step, one that will save a lot of people a lot of unhappiness in the long run. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Linden Lab en route to Hell, at last</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-20331</link>
		<dc:creator>Linden Lab en route to Hell, at last</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This has been hailed, or at least acknowledged as inevitable, by observers as diverse as Benjamin Duranske, Prokofy Neva, Nobody Fugazi, Tateru Nino and Dusan Writer; dissenters have been few and in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This has been hailed, or at least acknowledged as inevitable, by observers as diverse as Benjamin Duranske, Prokofy Neva, Nobody Fugazi, Tateru Nino and Dusan Writer; dissenters have been few and in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LL : New policy regarding SL &#34;Banks&#34; &#171; Samurai Pickle</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-15478</link>
		<dc:creator>LL : New policy regarding SL &#34;Banks&#34; &#171; Samurai Pickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [EDIT] Virtually Blind has some excellent commentary (as usual) on the issue at &quot;Commentary: Linden Labs Bans Unlicensed &#8216;Banks&#8217;&quot; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [EDIT] Virtually Blind has some excellent commentary (as usual) on the issue at &quot;Commentary: Linden Labs Bans Unlicensed &#8216;Banks&#8217;&quot; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lem Skall</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-13845</link>
		<dc:creator>Lem Skall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ben and Ashcroft.  It had also occurred to me since posting that comment that LL cannot cover all the float of Linden dollars if its value goes through the roof so they probably would never take responsibility for covering it anyway.  That also means that if there is a run on the Linden dollar and LL cannot or will not control it, then the value of the Linden dollar will tank.  I wonder how many people realize that, considering that its value has been traditionally so stable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ben and Ashcroft.  It had also occurred to me since posting that comment that LL cannot cover all the float of Linden dollars if its value goes through the roof so they probably would never take responsibility for covering it anyway.  That also means that if there is a run on the Linden dollar and LL cannot or will not control it, then the value of the Linden dollar will tank.  I wonder how many people realize that, considering that its value has been traditionally so stable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashcroft Burnham</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-13839</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashcroft Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To reply further to Lem, what Linden Lab offer when it sells Linden dollars is conceptually distinct to what the banks offer when they offer to take Linden dollars as a deposit: Linden Lab &lt;i&gt;sells&lt;/i&gt;, but never &lt;i&gt;buys&lt;/i&gt; Linden dollars - this much it makes abundantly clear. The value of the currency that one is purchasing, therefore, is inherently linked only to (1) the value of the in-world goods and services that one can buy with it; and (2) what other people are willing to pay in real money for it. 

Conversely, when one invests in a bank, the bank is promising to repay what one has invested in the same currency that one has invested it with interest either on demand or within a fixed period after a request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reply further to Lem, what Linden Lab offer when it sells Linden dollars is conceptually distinct to what the banks offer when they offer to take Linden dollars as a deposit: Linden Lab <i>sells</i>, but never <i>buys</i> Linden dollars &#8211; this much it makes abundantly clear. The value of the currency that one is purchasing, therefore, is inherently linked only to (1) the value of the in-world goods and services that one can buy with it; and (2) what other people are willing to pay in real money for it. </p>
<p>Conversely, when one invests in a bank, the bank is promising to repay what one has invested in the same currency that one has invested it with interest either on demand or within a fixed period after a request.</p>
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		<title>By: Virtual Worlds Forum Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Second Life&#8217;s virtual bank ban: the debate continues</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-13825</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtual Worlds Forum Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Second Life&#8217;s virtual bank ban: the debate continues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] orbiting HQ plays Second Life any more&#8221;. Elsewhere, the legal-focused Virtually Blind blog approves of the decision, even if some legitimate operations suffer as a result: &#8220;The vast majority of “banks” in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] orbiting HQ plays Second Life any more&#8221;. Elsewhere, the legal-focused Virtually Blind blog approves of the decision, even if some legitimate operations suffer as a result: &#8220;The vast majority of “banks” in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-13806</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@36 - LL is not liable for your Linden Dollar balance (assuming the TOS is enforceable on this point).  That&#039;s the reason for the TOS clause that says currency is just a limited license right.  It&#039;s so you have no claim against LL for your balance.  If they go bankrupt, you don&#039;t get to get in line with the electric company to collect.  At least, that&#039;s the theory.  I am absolutely certain that they have nothing close to sufficient cash reserves to cover everyone&#039;s Linden balance -- when you sell on the LindeX, you are selling to other users, not LL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@36 &#8211; LL is not liable for your Linden Dollar balance (assuming the TOS is enforceable on this point).  That&#8217;s the reason for the TOS clause that says currency is just a limited license right.  It&#8217;s so you have no claim against LL for your balance.  If they go bankrupt, you don&#8217;t get to get in line with the electric company to collect.  At least, that&#8217;s the theory.  I am absolutely certain that they have nothing close to sufficient cash reserves to cover everyone&#8217;s Linden balance &#8212; when you sell on the LindeX, you are selling to other users, not LL.</p>
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		<title>By: Lem Skall</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-13805</link>
		<dc:creator>Lem Skall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is LL guaranteeing and responsible for the entire amount of Linden dollars that is available in SL?  I am referring to all the money that lies idle in our accounts.  In other words, is a run on LL possible if all the residents decide to withdraw their money from SL?  Is LL responsible and able to cover all those withdrawals?

Even if not legally responsible, I assume that good business sense makes them so anyway.  They may not have promised ANY interest, let alone the high interest that some of the in-world banks have promised.  But LL has given residents similar hopes for riches through the media hype and sometimes through their own statements.

It strikes me that LL itself acts in many ways as a bank by issuing money that is convertable to RL money and by managing our accounts that contain this money.  And therefore it is somewhat hypocritical to ban in-world banks for something LL is not regulated to do themselves.

Yes, I trust LL more than I trust any of the present in-world banks and I am for having only regulated financial institutions providing these services.  But LL&#039;s move is commendable only if they also make the effort to bring in such institutions to replace even themselves as a &quot;virtual bank&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is LL guaranteeing and responsible for the entire amount of Linden dollars that is available in SL?  I am referring to all the money that lies idle in our accounts.  In other words, is a run on LL possible if all the residents decide to withdraw their money from SL?  Is LL responsible and able to cover all those withdrawals?</p>
<p>Even if not legally responsible, I assume that good business sense makes them so anyway.  They may not have promised ANY interest, let alone the high interest that some of the in-world banks have promised.  But LL has given residents similar hopes for riches through the media hype and sometimes through their own statements.</p>
<p>It strikes me that LL itself acts in many ways as a bank by issuing money that is convertable to RL money and by managing our accounts that contain this money.  And therefore it is somewhat hypocritical to ban in-world banks for something LL is not regulated to do themselves.</p>
<p>Yes, I trust LL more than I trust any of the present in-world banks and I am for having only regulated financial institutions providing these services.  But LL&#8217;s move is commendable only if they also make the effort to bring in such institutions to replace even themselves as a &#8220;virtual bank&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Linden Lab en route to Hell, at last &#171; Rheta&#8217;s World</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-13792</link>
		<dc:creator>Linden Lab en route to Hell, at last &#171; Rheta&#8217;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This has been hailed, or at least acknowledged as inevitable, by observers as diverse as Benjamin Duranske, Prokofy Neva, Nobody Fugazi, Tateru Nino and Dusan Writer; dissenters have been few and in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/08/linden-lab-kills-banking/#comment-13763</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LL in their infinate wisdom of attempting to remove the possability of people getting ripped off. They gave the in game banks a means to do just that. These so called banks where not folding most where not in danger of folding and well over 10,000 players used them.

In attempting to prevent people from getting ripped off, they caused a situation where people will definalty get ripped off. 
 
Why did they not address it in a more resonable manor is beyond me, but thousands of people have no way to get their money back thanks to LL slap happy policy that they never concidered for one second just how wide the impact is. 

People will leave the game over it i am sure.  But hey i am not LL so .. what do i care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL in their infinate wisdom of attempting to remove the possability of people getting ripped off. They gave the in game banks a means to do just that. These so called banks where not folding most where not in danger of folding and well over 10,000 players used them.</p>
<p>In attempting to prevent people from getting ripped off, they caused a situation where people will definalty get ripped off. </p>
<p>Why did they not address it in a more resonable manor is beyond me, but thousands of people have no way to get their money back thanks to LL slap happy policy that they never concidered for one second just how wide the impact is. </p>
<p>People will leave the game over it i am sure.  But hey i am not LL so .. what do i care.</p>
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