Comments on: Six Major Second Life Content Creators Sue Alleged Copyright Infringer in NY Federal District Court http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/ Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds Tue, 13 May 2014 04:03:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Second Life Sued. Again. You Should Pay Attention This Time. « Broken Toys http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-33728 Second Life Sued. Again. You Should Pay Attention This Time. « Broken Toys Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:56:32 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-33728 [...] they have no power to combat. Alderman in particular has been aggressive about responding to these via the legal system (Grei joining him in the second suit), and this suit is the ultimate expression of that. There is [...] [...] they have no power to combat. Alderman in particular has been aggressive about responding to these via the legal system (Grei joining him in the second suit), and this suit is the ultimate expression of that. There is [...]

]]> By: Scarlett Bessie http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-30587 Scarlett Bessie Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:08:03 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-30587 I know this guy too. This is madness and if he copied stolen goods from creators who worked their butt of making, then he deserves what he gets! This is a business for a lot of people in here. This is their JOB! They have EVERY right to protect their investments and however they choose to do it is their choice. And considering Rebel Hope is a very good friend of mine I hope justice is served! I know how hard she works. I know this guy too. This is madness and if he copied stolen goods from creators who worked their butt of making, then he deserves what he gets!

This is a business for a lot of people in here. This is their JOB! They have EVERY right to protect their investments and however they choose to do it is their choice. And considering Rebel Hope is a very good friend of mine I hope justice is served! I know how hard she works.

]]> By: Metaversally Speaking.. » Brazilians and IP Theft http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-20746 Metaversally Speaking.. » Brazilians and IP Theft Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:41:29 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-20746 [...] that every country will have its fair share of “rippers”, and we all know there are people in several other countries who are infringing IP [...] [...] that every country will have its fair share of “rippers”, and we all know there are people in several other countries who are infringing IP [...]

]]> By: Mark http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-20512 Mark Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:00:11 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-20512 What I want to know is all these people saying they were robbed as a tax payer I want to know if you all paid your taxes and not a just a small % but the actual amount? And if those 6 were the only ones who sued Simon is it safe to assume all the others involved are not paying any income tax on this? I think this whole think is stupid 1 its a game with items you can't touch, 2 where is the tax money these people are paying and if the game was shut down would we now owe these designers unemployment? 3. Where is the proof he sold or made fakes. and not pics that could be doctored in photoshop not to mention those pictures don't say who owns the item or items inside. I have read this or followed it since day 1 and seen lots of stories on this and none are the same and where is Simon's story? where is the Linden's story. 4. What if these items were able to be copied because of a game glitch and no fault of Simon. I mean is that his fault or anyones fault other then the game for being unstable? I think all of this is pretty much a joke and they all should be shut down these designers who if your claiming this is where you make your living shame on you I am sure this was not what this so called game was designed for. For Linden Labs to not do something either against the desingers or Simon or to take measures to protect this from happening in this case or in future cases. And Simon for whatever he did do if it was wrong game or real he should have not bothered was it all really worth it What I want to know is all these people saying they were robbed as a tax payer I want to know if you all paid your taxes and not a just a small % but the actual amount? And if those 6 were the only ones who sued Simon is it safe to assume all the others involved are not paying any income tax on this? I think this whole think is stupid 1 its a game with items you can’t touch, 2 where is the tax money these people are paying and if the game was shut down would we now owe these designers unemployment? 3. Where is the proof he sold or made fakes. and not pics that could be doctored in photoshop not to mention those pictures don’t say who owns the item or items inside. I have read this or followed it since day 1 and seen lots of stories on this and none are the same and where is Simon’s story? where is the Linden’s story. 4. What if these items were able to be copied because of a game glitch and no fault of Simon. I mean is that his fault or anyones fault other then the game for being unstable?

I think all of this is pretty much a joke and they all should be shut down these designers who if your claiming this is where you make your living shame on you I am sure this was not what this so called game was designed for. For Linden Labs to not do something either against the desingers or Simon or to take measures to protect this from happening in this case or in future cases. And Simon for whatever he did do if it was wrong game or real he should have not bothered was it all really worth it

]]> By: Mark C http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-20079 Mark C Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:04:40 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-20079 *** Do you guys think its right for simon to pay thousands of dollars are go to prison over stealing some cartoon clothes and furniture though, realistically? *** A crook is a crook, retard. That it's pixels is irrelevant, moron. The money is real. Try pirating software some time and see what the court thinks of a "it's only bits in a computer" defense. *** Do you guys think its right for simon to pay thousands of dollars are go to prison over stealing some cartoon clothes and furniture though, realistically? ***

A crook is a crook, retard. That it’s pixels is irrelevant, moron. The money is real.

Try pirating software some time and see what the court thinks of a “it’s only bits in a computer” defense.

]]> By: Virtuelle Designer klagen gegen Copyright-Verletzer | Cyberwelten http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-19494 Virtuelle Designer klagen gegen Copyright-Verletzer | Cyberwelten Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:43:45 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-19494 [...] Virtually Blind: Six Major Second Life Content Creators Sue Alleged Copyright Infringer in NY Federal District Court [...] [...] Virtually Blind: Six Major Second Life Content Creators Sue Alleged Copyright Infringer in NY Federal District Court [...]

]]> By: Benjamin Duranske http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-13728 Benjamin Duranske Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:29:04 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-13728 @40 - There's no easy answer to that. It depends on the designer and whatever agreement you reach with him or her. A designer could license a creation broadly or narrowly. Someone could sell textures with a notecard that gives you the right to use them on websites, etc. but usually would not. Generally, in the absence of an agreement to the contrary, any rights that aren't represented by the in-world tools transfer (if you've been sold something with full "copy" permissions, you can obviously make copies, etc.) are retained by the designer. @40 – There’s no easy answer to that. It depends on the designer and whatever agreement you reach with him or her. A designer could license a creation broadly or narrowly. Someone could sell textures with a notecard that gives you the right to use them on websites, etc. but usually would not.
Generally, in the absence of an agreement to the contrary, any rights that aren’t represented by the in-world tools transfer (if you’ve been sold something with full “copy” permissions, you can obviously make copies, etc.) are retained by the designer.

]]> By: lightnin boy http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-13716 lightnin boy Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:16:33 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-13716 So, if I buy the model from the seller in Second Life. Exactly what are my rights to the textures and geometry of that model. Can I only use it in Second Life? Can I use the texture outside of Second Life? Can I resell it? What if the model I bought has the permissions that I can modify, copy and transfer? What rights does a person have to sue me if I use it? So, if I buy the model from the seller in Second Life. Exactly what are my rights to the textures and geometry of that model. Can I only use it in Second Life? Can I use the texture outside of Second Life? Can I resell it?

What if the model I bought has the permissions that I can modify, copy and transfer? What rights does a person have to sue me if I use it?

]]> By: jasmine http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-12176 jasmine Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:21:34 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-12176 Shawn at one level I agree with you completely, SL wants an economy wants you to believe you will get a dollar (you can't inworld you can only get linden money) and wants you to think the game engine will protect your rights. BUT look at the terms and conditions they don't promise you this, and as you point out they aren't all that helpful when the game engine fails. I also agree with your remedy, that is stop playing their game if you don't like their rules. What I don't agree with is that real world courts, particularly US Courts unilaterally protecting you, if you are in the US and happy and able to pursue remedies in that Jurisdiction. My random thoughts I'm forming slowly over time into a position, and hopefully one day an argument is that it is a matter for LLs and the solutions and remedies should be up to them. Shawn at one level I agree with you completely, SL wants an economy wants you to believe you will get a dollar (you can’t inworld you can only get linden money) and wants you to think the game engine will protect your rights.

BUT look at the terms and conditions they don’t promise you this, and as you point out they aren’t all that helpful when the game engine fails.

I also agree with your remedy, that is stop playing their game if you don’t like their rules.

What I don’t agree with is that real world courts, particularly US Courts unilaterally protecting you, if you are in the US and happy and able to pursue remedies in that Jurisdiction.

My random thoughts I’m forming slowly over time into a position, and hopefully one day an argument is that it is a matter for LLs and the solutions and remedies should be up to them.

]]> By: shawnwirtz tiki http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-12075 shawnwirtz tiki Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:01:59 +0000 http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/#comment-12075 Here you go you spend 7 hours making something you thought up spent the whole day making it just right so you can sell if for a dollar a piece you go and put it out for sale on your store you land fees for and two days later you find someone just popped into your store made a copy of it without your permission and is selling it in their store... say you spent 7 hours a day for a month creating many things each taking hours of your time to make so its unique and again you put it all out pay fees for a store and two weeks later someone again takes all the things you spent a month making and selling it as if they made it ... only then can you understand why it might upset you... I have several friends who have been copied from like this and others who have copy cats using their store names to try to steal customers Everyone who has did the whole dmce report got nothing done to assist them and they are stuck out in the cold with no help from LL a couple gave up and left sl because why spend months creating something to have it stolen and no one will do a thing to help Here you go you spend 7 hours making something you thought up spent the whole day making it just right so you can sell if for a dollar a piece you go and put it out for sale on your store you land fees for and two days later you find someone just popped into your store made a copy of it without your permission and is selling it in their store…

say you spent 7 hours a day for a month creating many things each taking hours of your time to make so its unique and again you put it all out pay fees for a store and two weeks later someone again takes all the things you spent a month making and selling it as if they made it …

only then can you understand why it might upset you…

I have several friends who have been copied from like this and others who have copy cats using their store names to try to steal customers

Everyone who has did the whole dmce report got nothing done to assist them and they are stuck out in the cold with no help from LL a couple gave up and left sl because why spend months creating something to have it stolen and no one will do a thing to help

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