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	<title>Comments on: Bragg v. Linden Lab Update &#8211; FRCP 26(f) Report and Plaintiff&#8217;s Motion to Strike and/or Amend</title>
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		<title>By: Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; From the Editor: Commentary on Active Lawsuits and Unsettled Issues in Virtual Law</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/17/bragg-update-rule-26/#comment-6087</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; From the Editor: Commentary on Active Lawsuits and Unsettled Issues in Virtual Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recently, VB began a new feature: closely examining filings in cases related to virtual law. Regular readers will notice that these posts contain only a tiny bit of opinion and not much personality at all. As I pointed out when I first ran one of these, there&#8217;s an important reason for that. Since these posts are such a departure from my usual style, however, I am going to repeat that reason now in a standalone post so that I can permanently link to it in the sidebar. Along with that, I&#8217;ll touch on the difference between VB&#8217;s commentary on gray areas in the law and issues that are more settled. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recently, VB began a new feature: closely examining filings in cases related to virtual law. Regular readers will notice that these posts contain only a tiny bit of opinion and not much personality at all. As I pointed out when I first ran one of these, there&#8217;s an important reason for that. Since these posts are such a departure from my usual style, however, I am going to repeat that reason now in a standalone post so that I can permanently link to it in the sidebar. Along with that, I&#8217;ll touch on the difference between VB&#8217;s commentary on gray areas in the law and issues that are more settled. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bragg v. Linden Lab Update - Trial Date Set, Court to Hold Disputed Funds, Joint Report Filed</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/17/bragg-update-rule-26/#comment-4604</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bragg v. Linden Lab Update - Trial Date Set, Court to Hold Disputed Funds, Joint Report Filed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The parties also filed a joint Rule 26 statement on July 20 (signed by both, this time). It appears designed to replace the one that Defendants filed on their own after negotiations broke down over the contents of the report three weeks ago. There only two changes between the two reports. Here they are: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The parties also filed a joint Rule 26 statement on July 20 (signed by both, this time). It appears designed to replace the one that Defendants filed on their own after negotiations broke down over the contents of the report three weeks ago. There only two changes between the two reports. Here they are: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody Fugazi</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/17/bragg-update-rule-26/#comment-2972</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody Fugazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like jockeying for position, plain and simple. I am interested most in the misleading advertising allegation; if a court ruling came on that it would certainly be a precedent. 

If the court says, yes, the &#039;ownership&#039; issue is misleading - whereas Linden Lab has publicly stated that now it is a service... well, that is certainly more representative than &#039;own your own land&#039;. &#039;Owned by residents&#039; - really?

If the court sets that precedent, then Linden Lab becomes a service provider and even a publisher (related to &#039;broadly offensive&#039;, et al). Personally, I think this would be the intuitive way to proceed - but then, I think Lessig should have won with Eldritch, so who knows. 

What Bragg is doing here is actually probably beneficial in the greater community in this aspect. Linden Lab has been pretty fluid with how it defines itself, and hasn&#039;t been very transparent in how they handle violations of Terms of Service and Community Standards. Getting them to define themselves, or, have the Court define them in the context of this case is probably the most important legal issue for Linden Lab. You can&#039;t be everything to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like jockeying for position, plain and simple. I am interested most in the misleading advertising allegation; if a court ruling came on that it would certainly be a precedent. </p>
<p>If the court says, yes, the &#8216;ownership&#8217; issue is misleading &#8211; whereas Linden Lab has publicly stated that now it is a service&#8230; well, that is certainly more representative than &#8216;own your own land&#8217;. &#8216;Owned by residents&#8217; &#8211; really?</p>
<p>If the court sets that precedent, then Linden Lab becomes a service provider and even a publisher (related to &#8216;broadly offensive&#8217;, et al). Personally, I think this would be the intuitive way to proceed &#8211; but then, I think Lessig should have won with Eldritch, so who knows. </p>
<p>What Bragg is doing here is actually probably beneficial in the greater community in this aspect. Linden Lab has been pretty fluid with how it defines itself, and hasn&#8217;t been very transparent in how they handle violations of Terms of Service and Community Standards. Getting them to define themselves, or, have the Court define them in the context of this case is probably the most important legal issue for Linden Lab. You can&#8217;t be everything to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Tateru Nino</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/17/bragg-update-rule-26/#comment-2969</link>
		<dc:creator>Tateru Nino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every simulator retains a record of every interaction for something like 90 days, if I recall LL&#039;s statements on this correctly. That&#039;s object and script interactions, lines of chat, IMs, everything. Apparently not everyone at LL has access to those logs, and they are used only for debugging and verification of incidents in abuse reports. There was a post on the Linden blog about it somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every simulator retains a record of every interaction for something like 90 days, if I recall LL&#8217;s statements on this correctly. That&#8217;s object and script interactions, lines of chat, IMs, everything. Apparently not everyone at LL has access to those logs, and they are used only for debugging and verification of incidents in abuse reports. There was a post on the Linden blog about it somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Able Whitman</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/17/bragg-update-rule-26/#comment-2960</link>
		<dc:creator>Able Whitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am most interested in the implications that Linden Lab keeps logs of resident communications, like chat and IMs.  In particular, this quote from the 26(f) caught my eye: 

&quot;Defendants represented that to the extent they exist, records of Plaintiff’s online chats with other Second Life users regarding the alleged auction scheme would be produced in hard copy form.&quot;

And in the plaintiff&#039;s motion, the assertion that &quot;there was a general business practice of preservation of material&quot; is somewhat troubling. Of course such logging on the service side is technically possible, but it&#039;s my expectation as a user that my conversations inworld are ethereal; that LL is not keeping a persistent log of my chat and my IMs. 

Of course such logging is available on the client, but it&#039;s not the same thing. I can choose to disable my client&#039;s logs, and I can choose to communicate only with friends I trust not to be logging our conversations (or with whom I&#039;ve comfortable with logging them). And at least I can restrict what information I tell other residents, regardless of whether I trust them or not.

But communication logging on the service side is entirely different. It would be entirely unavoidable since inworld communication relies on the service and cannot function without it.

I know that LL&#039;s TOS prohibit posting of other peoples&#039; chat logs, but I&#039;m not sure what their stated policy is (if indeed there is one) regarding communication data retention. To be fair, I checked the privacy policies for MSN Messenger (http://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/messenger.aspx) and for Google Talk (http://www.google.com/talk/privacy.html) and neither of them mentions a policy regarding service-side logging, either. 

I&#039;m curious to find out more as discovery proceeds about what kind of data LL retains and for how long. Is it likely that such chat logs would fall under a confidentiality agreement, or would they be part of the public record? And even if they are deemed confidential, what kind of information could we expect to learn about LL&#039;s methodology of data retention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am most interested in the implications that Linden Lab keeps logs of resident communications, like chat and IMs.  In particular, this quote from the 26(f) caught my eye: </p>
<p>&#8220;Defendants represented that to the extent they exist, records of Plaintiff’s online chats with other Second Life users regarding the alleged auction scheme would be produced in hard copy form.&#8221;</p>
<p>And in the plaintiff&#8217;s motion, the assertion that &#8220;there was a general business practice of preservation of material&#8221; is somewhat troubling. Of course such logging on the service side is technically possible, but it&#8217;s my expectation as a user that my conversations inworld are ethereal; that LL is not keeping a persistent log of my chat and my IMs. </p>
<p>Of course such logging is available on the client, but it&#8217;s not the same thing. I can choose to disable my client&#8217;s logs, and I can choose to communicate only with friends I trust not to be logging our conversations (or with whom I&#8217;ve comfortable with logging them). And at least I can restrict what information I tell other residents, regardless of whether I trust them or not.</p>
<p>But communication logging on the service side is entirely different. It would be entirely unavoidable since inworld communication relies on the service and cannot function without it.</p>
<p>I know that LL&#8217;s TOS prohibit posting of other peoples&#8217; chat logs, but I&#8217;m not sure what their stated policy is (if indeed there is one) regarding communication data retention. To be fair, I checked the privacy policies for MSN Messenger (<a href="http://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/messenger.aspx" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/privacy.microsoft.com');">http://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/messenger.aspx</a>) and for Google Talk (<a href="http://www.google.com/talk/privacy.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.google.com');">http://www.google.com/talk/privacy.html</a>) and neither of them mentions a policy regarding service-side logging, either. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to find out more as discovery proceeds about what kind of data LL retains and for how long. Is it likely that such chat logs would fall under a confidentiality agreement, or would they be part of the public record? And even if they are deemed confidential, what kind of information could we expect to learn about LL&#8217;s methodology of data retention?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/17/bragg-update-rule-26/#comment-2954</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Csven - I think it&#039;s interesting too, but it might not be as much an issue of Linden Lab trying to hide the ball as it initially appears. Agreements to protect third party information (typically in the form of &quot;Stipulated Protective Orders&quot;) are almost standard issue in litigation involving big companies, simply because there has to be some way for the company to stamp documents that it is producing that are covered by agreements with third parties where they&#039;ve promised to protect the data.

Here, Linden Lab is going to have to give up documents that are protected by confidentiality agreements it has with third parties (probably including Second Life users other than Bragg, though I&#039;d need to go back and read the Second Life TOS and privacy policy to make sure that&#039;s true, but certainly including other companies like payment processing companies, etc.)

It will need to stamp those docs &quot;Highly Confidential - Attorney Eyes Only&quot; or something along those lines so that they can&#039;t be attached to filings that aren&#039;t sealed.  The court will typically have a clear procedure for filing documents that contain confidential information, and the parties are, in my experience, typically expected to execute some kind of agreement to make this happen in accordance with the Court&#039;s rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Csven &#8211; I think it&#8217;s interesting too, but it might not be as much an issue of Linden Lab trying to hide the ball as it initially appears. Agreements to protect third party information (typically in the form of &#8220;Stipulated Protective Orders&#8221;) are almost standard issue in litigation involving big companies, simply because there has to be some way for the company to stamp documents that it is producing that are covered by agreements with third parties where they&#8217;ve promised to protect the data.</p>
<p>Here, Linden Lab is going to have to give up documents that are protected by confidentiality agreements it has with third parties (probably including Second Life users other than Bragg, though I&#8217;d need to go back and read the Second Life TOS and privacy policy to make sure that&#8217;s true, but certainly including other companies like payment processing companies, etc.)</p>
<p>It will need to stamp those docs &#8220;Highly Confidential &#8211; Attorney Eyes Only&#8221; or something along those lines so that they can&#8217;t be attached to filings that aren&#8217;t sealed.  The court will typically have a clear procedure for filing documents that contain confidential information, and the parties are, in my experience, typically expected to execute some kind of agreement to make this happen in accordance with the Court&#8217;s rules.</p>
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		<title>By: csven</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/07/17/bragg-update-rule-26/#comment-2940</link>
		<dc:creator>csven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update. I&#039;m finding the confidentially issue particularly interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update. I&#8217;m finding the confidentially issue particularly interesting.</p>
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