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	<title>Comments on: Bragg v. Linden Update: Defendants&#8217; Motions to Dismiss and Compel Arbitration Denied</title>
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		<title>By: Online Games and IP &#8211; Battle of the forms to Social Norms: Reconceptualising and Re-layering? &#124; SCRIPTed</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-154896</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Games and IP &#8211; Battle of the forms to Social Norms: Reconceptualising and Re-layering? &#124; SCRIPTed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2013 19:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Motion to Dismiss and Compel Arbitration Denied&#8221; (Virtually Blind, 1 June 2007) available at http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration... (accessed 20 January [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Motion to Dismiss and Compel Arbitration Denied&#8221; (Virtually Blind, 1 June 2007) available at <a href="http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration.." rel="nofollow" >http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration..</a>. (accessed 20 January [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linden Lab Changes Second Life Terms of Service: Non-Appearance Arbitration for Matters Under 10k, Must File Matters Over 10k in San Francisco</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-9195</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linden Lab Changes Second Life Terms of Service: Non-Appearance Arbitration for Matters Under 10k, Must File Matters Over 10k in San Francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The move appears to be a direct result of the decision in the Bragg case finding the previous arbitration clause unconscionable.  The new clause makes two significant changes, one that dramatically benefits small claimants, and one that makes it more expensive and burdensome to bring big claims. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The move appears to be a direct result of the decision in the Bragg case finding the previous arbitration clause unconscionable.  The new clause makes two significant changes, one that dramatically benefits small claimants, and one that makes it more expensive and burdensome to bring big claims. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-06-16 &#187; What Future?</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-06-16 &#187; What Future?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Virtually Blind - Virtual Law: Bragg v. Linden Update: Defendants’ Motions to Dismiss and Compel Arbitration Denied this is a pretty extraordinary decision which, assuming it survives an almost certain appeal, will likely be cited as the seminal decision in virtual law for the foreseeable future. (tags: virtualworld secondlife law) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Virtually Blind &#8211; Virtual Law: Bragg v. Linden Update: Defendants’ Motions to Dismiss and Compel Arbitration Denied this is a pretty extraordinary decision which, assuming it survives an almost certain appeal, will likely be cited as the seminal decision in virtual law for the foreseeable future. (tags: virtualworld secondlife law) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this could have been avoided if Linden had instituted some kind of in game arbitration system.  They could have cut a deal with AAA or ICC to do it too, and outsourced it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this could have been avoided if Linden had instituted some kind of in game arbitration system.  They could have cut a deal with AAA or ICC to do it too, and outsourced it.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Duranske</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Duranske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comment, Kurt.  I just visited your &lt;a href=&quot;http://krhunt.blogspot.com/2007/06/bragg-v-linden-lab-and-confusion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; post on this&lt;/a&gt;.  You are absolutely right that commentators and courts need to keep the distinction between copyright rights and virtual property rights clear, and right that here, the court conflates the two.  Since it didn&#039;t make any difference for the Court&#039;s analysis in this order, I&#039;m inclined to believe that it wasn&#039;t briefed clearly, and that the lawyers will educate the court as to the distinction in summary judgment papers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to your first point, I&#039;m not really sure that the TOS can be redrafted to make it less one-sided without fairly fundamentally changing the relationship between &quot;citizens&quot; and Linden Lab.  It&#039;s not the arbitration clause itself that did in the TOS, it&#039;s that the rest of the TOS were so lopsided.  Lopsided TOS are the key to establishing the sort of capricious dictatorships gameplayers and virtual world citizens have basically come to expect.  My feeling is just about any case against WoW, Ultima, or a number of other game/worlds where people sell content could have done this at any point in the last ten years, but none did because there&#039;s never been enough at stake for litigants to bother or for courts to pay attention.  And no game/world ever explicitly said, &quot;Come here and make real money!&quot; either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So basically, I believe that it&#039;s going to be considered a seminal case because it&#039;s the first time a court has said, &quot;Wait, there&#039;s money on the line?  Well then, no -- the administrator &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; get unlimited power here.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Kurt.  I just visited your <a href="http://krhunt.blogspot.com/2007/06/bragg-v-linden-lab-and-confusion.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/krhunt.blogspot.com');"> post on this</a>.  You are absolutely right that commentators and courts need to keep the distinction between copyright rights and virtual property rights clear, and right that here, the court conflates the two.  Since it didn&#8217;t make any difference for the Court&#8217;s analysis in this order, I&#8217;m inclined to believe that it wasn&#8217;t briefed clearly, and that the lawyers will educate the court as to the distinction in summary judgment papers.</p>
<p>As to your first point, I&#8217;m not really sure that the TOS can be redrafted to make it less one-sided without fairly fundamentally changing the relationship between &#8220;citizens&#8221; and Linden Lab.  It&#8217;s not the arbitration clause itself that did in the TOS, it&#8217;s that the rest of the TOS were so lopsided.  Lopsided TOS are the key to establishing the sort of capricious dictatorships gameplayers and virtual world citizens have basically come to expect.  My feeling is just about any case against WoW, Ultima, or a number of other game/worlds where people sell content could have done this at any point in the last ten years, but none did because there&#8217;s never been enough at stake for litigants to bother or for courts to pay attention.  And no game/world ever explicitly said, &#8220;Come here and make real money!&#8221; either.</p>
<p>So basically, I believe that it&#8217;s going to be considered a seminal case because it&#8217;s the first time a court has said, &#8220;Wait, there&#8217;s money on the line?  Well then, no &#8212; the administrator <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> get unlimited power here.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Hunt</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m happy the arbitration clause fell, I don&#039;t think that victory on its own will make Bragg a seminal case. Sure, virtual worlds will redraft their ToS, and they&#039;ll be sure to make their arbitration clauses less ridiculous, but that&#039;s about it.

What will make Bragg important is the stance the court eventually takes on the virtual property ownership issue. And with respect to that issue, I&#039;m not so convinced the court &quot;gets it.&quot;

Specifically, throughout the opinion, the court conflates virtual property rights with copyright rights in virtual property. This is severe enough that the court is sometimes flat-out wrong, such as claiming that Linden grants &quot;property rights in virtual land&quot; when the ToS do exactly the opposite. I write about this confusion quite a bit more on &lt;a href=&quot;http://krhunt.blogspot.com/2007/06/bragg-v-linden-lab-and-confusion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt;.

I subscribed to your RSS feed around the time of your &quot;trademark infringement in Second Life&quot; post; keep up the interesting writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m happy the arbitration clause fell, I don&#8217;t think that victory on its own will make Bragg a seminal case. Sure, virtual worlds will redraft their ToS, and they&#8217;ll be sure to make their arbitration clauses less ridiculous, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>What will make Bragg important is the stance the court eventually takes on the virtual property ownership issue. And with respect to that issue, I&#8217;m not so convinced the court &#8220;gets it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Specifically, throughout the opinion, the court conflates virtual property rights with copyright rights in virtual property. This is severe enough that the court is sometimes flat-out wrong, such as claiming that Linden grants &#8220;property rights in virtual land&#8221; when the ToS do exactly the opposite. I write about this confusion quite a bit more on <a href="http://krhunt.blogspot.com/2007/06/bragg-v-linden-lab-and-confusion.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/krhunt.blogspot.com');">my blog</a>.</p>
<p>I subscribed to your RSS feed around the time of your &#8220;trademark infringement in Second Life&#8221; post; keep up the interesting writing.</p>
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		<title>By: YourWorldEuropeansImagination (AsInterpretedByDanielLinden)</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>YourWorldEuropeansImagination (AsInterpretedByDanielLinden)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me, I&#039;ve been ecstatic over this since hearing about it because I don&#039;t think the company has always been consistent, much less fair, with residents. The TOS is extremely one-sided and just seeing Linden claim in Bragg that even *US dollar* deposits can be altered at will, alone, shocked my conscience. But wow... This is the first description I&#039;ve read calling it a potentially seminal case in virtual law. I wonder how much such a ruling has to do with specifics to Second Life, considering the uniqueness of the service regarding supposedly Linden-recognized resident &quot;property.&quot; I&#039;d like to think that a truly impartial party would immediately have been able to recognize that if residents really do have various property interests as claimed, such a TOS was and is grossly improper.

After reading the great points made in your article about the judge&#039;s understanding of the issue, I begin to wonder still more how much this is a situating of himself to make an even strong resolution on virtual property altogether... and perhaps it&#039;s only a matter of time till $L is declared to have value. I guess that&#039;s still a long, tough battle ahead, and I don&#039;t know anything about law anyway, so who knows.

I personally am most concerned about &quot;speech&quot; related issues on the service given the alleged property interests. I don&#039;t even want to think what company employees have been doing to people less knowledgeable, less assertive, and with even less financial capacity to stand up for their consumer rights as Bragg. This is particularly true, recently, with the 100%-brand-new and inconsistent reinterpretation of the Community Standards with attempts to facilitate broader content regulation without publicly appearing to go against previous public assertions (and rather than simply citing unilateral TOS section 4.1 authority and restating company objectives re regulation, in the process). Bragg&#039;s case, to me, is most saliently about equity, and at this point, I too am wondering if all of these sorts of public statements coming out of the Linden PR machine are indeed intentional (as opposed to merely gross mismanagement). I don&#039;t know the truth about circumstances leading to his account termination (guess there will be a chance now), but I do know that it&#039;s been long past time this particular world operator did more to respect its residents and *certainly* also started answering to its public statement inconsistencies vs its actions.

Regardless, Mr. Bragg and his lawyer are, in my mind, true Americans. I hope to have the opportunity to buy some Woebegone fireworks some day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me, I&#8217;ve been ecstatic over this since hearing about it because I don&#8217;t think the company has always been consistent, much less fair, with residents. The TOS is extremely one-sided and just seeing Linden claim in Bragg that even *US dollar* deposits can be altered at will, alone, shocked my conscience. But wow&#8230; This is the first description I&#8217;ve read calling it a potentially seminal case in virtual law. I wonder how much such a ruling has to do with specifics to Second Life, considering the uniqueness of the service regarding supposedly Linden-recognized resident &#8220;property.&#8221; I&#8217;d like to think that a truly impartial party would immediately have been able to recognize that if residents really do have various property interests as claimed, such a TOS was and is grossly improper.</p>
<p>After reading the great points made in your article about the judge&#8217;s understanding of the issue, I begin to wonder still more how much this is a situating of himself to make an even strong resolution on virtual property altogether&#8230; and perhaps it&#8217;s only a matter of time till $L is declared to have value. I guess that&#8217;s still a long, tough battle ahead, and I don&#8217;t know anything about law anyway, so who knows.</p>
<p>I personally am most concerned about &#8220;speech&#8221; related issues on the service given the alleged property interests. I don&#8217;t even want to think what company employees have been doing to people less knowledgeable, less assertive, and with even less financial capacity to stand up for their consumer rights as Bragg. This is particularly true, recently, with the 100%-brand-new and inconsistent reinterpretation of the Community Standards with attempts to facilitate broader content regulation without publicly appearing to go against previous public assertions (and rather than simply citing unilateral TOS section 4.1 authority and restating company objectives re regulation, in the process). Bragg&#8217;s case, to me, is most saliently about equity, and at this point, I too am wondering if all of these sorts of public statements coming out of the Linden PR machine are indeed intentional (as opposed to merely gross mismanagement). I don&#8217;t know the truth about circumstances leading to his account termination (guess there will be a chance now), but I do know that it&#8217;s been long past time this particular world operator did more to respect its residents and *certainly* also started answering to its public statement inconsistencies vs its actions.</p>
<p>Regardless, Mr. Bragg and his lawyer are, in my mind, true Americans. I hope to have the opportunity to buy some Woebegone fireworks some day.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m torn. 

On the one hand, I think the Court decided correctly. If Linden Lab is going to make the argument that they are a virtual world, and that their &quot;citizens&quot; have rights, and that people &quot;own&quot; their property, then they need to be held to that. I was working for a while on a paper that supported the personal jurisdiction argument, because it&#039;s pretty clear that Rosedale essentially used the media as a soapbox to market the company. 

On the other hand, I think it is sad that the Courts are considering these issues so seriously. The Internet is important, yeah, and it, to quote the court, &quot;the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed.&quot; 

At the same time, that doesn&#039;t mean most of the speech isn&#039;t stupid shit that needs to be taken so seriously. My worry is that we&#039;ll start to see &quot;real life&quot; law applied to the Internet culture and community as a whole. Time honored phenomena like trolling or griefing--which, while facially antisocial, aren&#039;t really that harmful--will begin to be confused with assault or harassment. We&#039;ve seen this begin already with the sex crimes aspect. It is the height of irresponsible ivory tower intellectualism to argue that humping someone&#039;s avatar bears anything more than the barest passing resemblance to actual rape. 

I like my goofy, drama-filled, satirical internet, and my only worry is that extending &quot;real life&quot; rights to amorphous Internet communities will make it a significantly less fun place to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m torn. </p>
<p>On the one hand, I think the Court decided correctly. If Linden Lab is going to make the argument that they are a virtual world, and that their &#8220;citizens&#8221; have rights, and that people &#8220;own&#8221; their property, then they need to be held to that. I was working for a while on a paper that supported the personal jurisdiction argument, because it&#8217;s pretty clear that Rosedale essentially used the media as a soapbox to market the company. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I think it is sad that the Courts are considering these issues so seriously. The Internet is important, yeah, and it, to quote the court, &#8220;the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed.&#8221; </p>
<p>At the same time, that doesn&#8217;t mean most of the speech isn&#8217;t stupid shit that needs to be taken so seriously. My worry is that we&#8217;ll start to see &#8220;real life&#8221; law applied to the Internet culture and community as a whole. Time honored phenomena like trolling or griefing&#8211;which, while facially antisocial, aren&#8217;t really that harmful&#8211;will begin to be confused with assault or harassment. We&#8217;ve seen this begin already with the sex crimes aspect. It is the height of irresponsible ivory tower intellectualism to argue that humping someone&#8217;s avatar bears anything more than the barest passing resemblance to actual rape. </p>
<p>I like my goofy, drama-filled, satirical internet, and my only worry is that extending &#8220;real life&#8221; rights to amorphous Internet communities will make it a significantly less fun place to be.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hypo Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hypo Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I welcome this opinion.  Score one for the players!  That&#039;ll teach Linden not to mess with a Lawyer&#039;s property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I welcome this opinion.  Score one for the players!  That&#8217;ll teach Linden not to mess with a Lawyer&#8217;s property.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashcroft Burnham</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyblind.com/2007/06/01/bragg-v-linden-update-motions-to-dismiss-and-compel-arbitration-denied/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashcroft Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does not seem to have been canvassed in your post (and thus quite probably the judgment itself) is the question of whether a contract for the provision of computer server capacity and the use of software can be said to be fundamentally different in character to any other such contract merely because the thing that the servers are doing is simulating something (land and chattels) which, if real, would have specific sorts of legal rights attached to it (which is what Bragg appears, somewhat bizarrely when properly considered, to be claiming). That does not appear to have been an issue in the particular decision here, although the particular issues in dispute seem specific to the US legal system, so their significance is not easy to grasp for those from other jurisdictions. Ben, from your reading of the judgment, can you see any sign of the court treating the terms of service differently because they are the terms of service for a virtual world, or would the judgment be equally applicable to, say, web hosting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does not seem to have been canvassed in your post (and thus quite probably the judgment itself) is the question of whether a contract for the provision of computer server capacity and the use of software can be said to be fundamentally different in character to any other such contract merely because the thing that the servers are doing is simulating something (land and chattels) which, if real, would have specific sorts of legal rights attached to it (which is what Bragg appears, somewhat bizarrely when properly considered, to be claiming). That does not appear to have been an issue in the particular decision here, although the particular issues in dispute seem specific to the US legal system, so their significance is not easy to grasp for those from other jurisdictions. Ben, from your reading of the judgment, can you see any sign of the court treating the terms of service differently because they are the terms of service for a virtual world, or would the judgment be equally applicable to, say, web hosting?</p>
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